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	<title>Comments on: Bumper pads vs. MMR&#8217;s</title>
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	<description>These are the ramblings of a young married couple in the great City of Chicago.</description>
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		<title>By: tfl: The Flatiron Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Evidence</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>tfl: The Flatiron Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Evidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops I meant gentle.  Dang these fat fingers of mine.</description>
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		<title>By: baily</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>baily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the craziest story! i myself have never thought about all this stuff yet as i am not a mother, but i have to go with my buddies nina and lynnard on this one.  seems to me like people are more concerned with aesthetics and spending $ on things that people just assume are safe, like bumper pads.  however, i'm with nina, if the doctor says no bumper pads=increase in chance of SIDS, then NO bumper pads.  

as far as the vaccine stuff goes, i am pretty convinced that vaccines are a good idea, and autism is being diagnosed nowadays because, like lynnard said, it wasn't known about and diagnosed years ago, so vaccinate your kid please !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the craziest story! i myself have never thought about all this stuff yet as i am not a mother, but i have to go with my buddies nina and lynnard on this one.  seems to me like people are more concerned with aesthetics and spending $ on things that people just assume are safe, like bumper pads.  however, i&#8217;m with nina, if the doctor says no bumper pads=increase in chance of SIDS, then NO bumper pads.  </p>
<p>as far as the vaccine stuff goes, i am pretty convinced that vaccines are a good idea, and autism is being diagnosed nowadays because, like lynnard said, it wasn&#8217;t known about and diagnosed years ago, so vaccinate your kid please !!</p>
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		<title>By: Joscelynn Tomaw</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Joscelynn Tomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Aunt Gail!</description>
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		<title>By: Joscelynn Tomaw</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>Joscelynn Tomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I should clarify that I have no problem with, and I think it largely makes sense to reduce processed foods and chemicals in one's diet.  At the very least it doesn't hurt, but I think the obsession with this idea sometimes causes people to jump to the conclusion that Western medicine and science has nothing beneficial to offer and in fact always causes more harm than good, which I just don't buy.  I thought this might explain the parents' reaction to vaccines, but in hindsight, I find Zach's explanation more convincing on this one.

2.  I am certain that the incidence of suffocation by bumper pad is very low and unlikely to be the real cause of SIDS.  However, as you said, it is a matter of control and the size of the precaution taken. With SIDS, creating a safe crib is the only thing I can do; it costs me little time and money and has no offsetting ill effects on the baby.  Even given the small chance that bumper pads do cause SIDS, removing the bumper pads is worthwhile.  On the other hand, the vaccines given to babies are to protect my child from the very real possibility that he may contract a serious illness, so if I were to choose not to vaccinate it would have to be because the likelihood and impact of autism is far greater than the likelihood and impact of, say measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, etc. In this line of thinking, I found it odd that parents unwilling to make the small sacrifice to prevent SIDS would be so eager to make the larger sacrifice to prevent autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I should clarify that I have no problem with, and I think it largely makes sense to reduce processed foods and chemicals in one&#8217;s diet.  At the very least it doesn&#8217;t hurt, but I think the obsession with this idea sometimes causes people to jump to the conclusion that Western medicine and science has nothing beneficial to offer and in fact always causes more harm than good, which I just don&#8217;t buy.  I thought this might explain the parents&#8217; reaction to vaccines, but in hindsight, I find Zach&#8217;s explanation more convincing on this one.</p>
<p>2.  I am certain that the incidence of suffocation by bumper pad is very low and unlikely to be the real cause of SIDS.  However, as you said, it is a matter of control and the size of the precaution taken. With SIDS, creating a safe crib is the only thing I can do; it costs me little time and money and has no offsetting ill effects on the baby.  Even given the small chance that bumper pads do cause SIDS, removing the bumper pads is worthwhile.  On the other hand, the vaccines given to babies are to protect my child from the very real possibility that he may contract a serious illness, so if I were to choose not to vaccinate it would have to be because the likelihood and impact of autism is far greater than the likelihood and impact of, say measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, etc. In this line of thinking, I found it odd that parents unwilling to make the small sacrifice to prevent SIDS would be so eager to make the larger sacrifice to prevent autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhh, I just can't resist this one. Sorry. I am not sure what 'organic mentality' is, "Western' medicine I know.  By OM do you mean some people's leaning toward holistic medicine, natural childbirth, not reaching for a pill for every ill?  Or are you talking about people trying to eliminate as much artificial chemicals from their lives, ie. eating more organic food.  
I think it is a little matter of control.  Parents want to feel they have some say on how to raise their children.  (If you think it begins and ends with medicine wait to you hit education.)  If you like the bumper pads tie them up high at the top of the railing, or take them off once the baby starts to move around in their bed.  I would love to know the stats on how many babies were suffocated by bumpers.  
"Over the years, researchers have investigated and ruled out a number of possible causes of sudden infant death syndrome, including suffocation, vomiting or choking, birth defects, metabolic abnormalities, and infection."  Mayo Clinic.com 

To Kristoffer,  Things do not "just happen" there is always a reason and something to blame.  Bridges collapse because of stress, metal fatigue, poor design or maintenance.  It never falls on a whim.  There maybe no ONE to blame, you are right, but there is a reason.  The same with vaccines some people do have reactions that are not pleasant just as some people have reactions when they eat certain foods, or are around cats, smoke, etc.  It is human nature to wonder why and question when something bad happens that can't be changed, only tempered by common sense. 

Whew, when Evil Sadie takes over there is no controlling her, but gentile Auntie is back in control wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving!!!!  Keep us posted. ;~)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhh, I just can&#8217;t resist this one. Sorry. I am not sure what &#8216;organic mentality&#8217; is, &#8220;Western&#8217; medicine I know.  By OM do you mean some people&#8217;s leaning toward holistic medicine, natural childbirth, not reaching for a pill for every ill?  Or are you talking about people trying to eliminate as much artificial chemicals from their lives, ie. eating more organic food.<br />
I think it is a little matter of control.  Parents want to feel they have some say on how to raise their children.  (If you think it begins and ends with medicine wait to you hit education.)  If you like the bumper pads tie them up high at the top of the railing, or take them off once the baby starts to move around in their bed.  I would love to know the stats on how many babies were suffocated by bumpers.<br />
&#8220;Over the years, researchers have investigated and ruled out a number of possible causes of sudden infant death syndrome, including suffocation, vomiting or choking, birth defects, metabolic abnormalities, and infection.&#8221;  Mayo Clinic.com </p>
<p>To Kristoffer,  Things do not &#8220;just happen&#8221; there is always a reason and something to blame.  Bridges collapse because of stress, metal fatigue, poor design or maintenance.  It never falls on a whim.  There maybe no ONE to blame, you are right, but there is a reason.  The same with vaccines some people do have reactions that are not pleasant just as some people have reactions when they eat certain foods, or are around cats, smoke, etc.  It is human nature to wonder why and question when something bad happens that can&#8217;t be changed, only tempered by common sense. </p>
<p>Whew, when Evil Sadie takes over there is no controlling her, but gentile Auntie is back in control wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving!!!!  Keep us posted. ;~)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristoffer</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jos - you hit the nail on the head when  you said:  Does it have to do with the “organic” mentality that presumes “Western” medicine the root of all ills?

YES!!!  Today's society is concerned with blame and victimization.  Nothing can "just happen".  If a bridge falls down with cars on it, it's the state government's fault.  If my child develops autism, it has to be someone's fault (in this case, the vaccinator).  If my baby dies of SIDS, it is because/or because I didn't let the child fall asleep on its stomach or back which the doctor told me to do.

Bad things happen...people just need to realize that fact.  Bad luck should not equate to an increase in government welfare allocation or a vast change in laws.

OK...I'm now off of my soapbox!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos - you hit the nail on the head when  you said:  Does it have to do with the “organic” mentality that presumes “Western” medicine the root of all ills?</p>
<p>YES!!!  Today&#8217;s society is concerned with blame and victimization.  Nothing can &#8220;just happen&#8221;.  If a bridge falls down with cars on it, it&#8217;s the state government&#8217;s fault.  If my child develops autism, it has to be someone&#8217;s fault (in this case, the vaccinator).  If my baby dies of SIDS, it is because/or because I didn&#8217;t let the child fall asleep on its stomach or back which the doctor told me to do.</p>
<p>Bad things happen&#8230;people just need to realize that fact.  Bad luck should not equate to an increase in government welfare allocation or a vast change in laws.</p>
<p>OK&#8230;I&#8217;m now off of my soapbox!  <img src='http://theflatironlife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can't they just accept what the doctor says about the bumper pads. THat's what would have annoyed me the most. The docter says don't use them, so don't use them. End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t they just accept what the doctor says about the bumper pads. THat&#8217;s what would have annoyed me the most. The docter says don&#8217;t use them, so don&#8217;t use them. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Joscelynn Tomaw</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Joscelynn Tomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes a lot of sense, Zach, but I'm not sure I'm convinced with the bumper pads.  I'm sure the bumper pad's original purpose was to prevent injury, but all of the buzz in the crowd was about aesthetics and buyer's remorse, so I'm not sure safety was the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes a lot of sense, Zach, but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m convinced with the bumper pads.  I&#8217;m sure the bumper pad&#8217;s original purpose was to prevent injury, but all of the buzz in the crowd was about aesthetics and buyer&#8217;s remorse, so I&#8217;m not sure safety was the goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://theflatironlife.com/2007/11/20/711/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler Cowen would tell you that it is an issue of control.  Bumper pads give parents the feeling that they can protect their baby against wood-related injuries; SIDS, on the other hand, is mysterious and random.  They would rather have the feeling that they can control one injury and ignore the other.

As for vaccines, same thing.  Withholding vaccination gives them, they think, some degree of control over whether their baby is diagnosed with autism.  The alternative, that it is largely genetic, suggests a lack of control.

It sounds like the doctor did a valiant job of trying to address the data, but I think the real issue is that parents need to be made to feel as if they are in control of their babies' health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler Cowen would tell you that it is an issue of control.  Bumper pads give parents the feeling that they can protect their baby against wood-related injuries; SIDS, on the other hand, is mysterious and random.  They would rather have the feeling that they can control one injury and ignore the other.</p>
<p>As for vaccines, same thing.  Withholding vaccination gives them, they think, some degree of control over whether their baby is diagnosed with autism.  The alternative, that it is largely genetic, suggests a lack of control.</p>
<p>It sounds like the doctor did a valiant job of trying to address the data, but I think the real issue is that parents need to be made to feel as if they are in control of their babies&#8217; health.</p>
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